OPEX Friday - January 20, 2012

[Billy]

The 20 DMF closed slightly negative and signals that large players are not much attracted anymore to buy strength and up gaps in this extended move. Intraday negative divergence with IWM price was one of the most striking since we started monitoring the RT 20 DMF right at the start of this uptrend one month ago. Perhaps it is the illustration that market makers are indeed trying to pin IWM near 79 for options expiration Friday, but institutional participants prefer to wait for a pullback before resuming their buy programs.

This seems to foretell that some kind of selling pressure is brewing at least for a minor retreat. It is comforting the IWM robot short position.

The limit entry for a secondary entry today is rather high (79.85) and above the initial stop of the robot’s position (79.23). But this is simply due to the multi-pivots risk-reward relationships after IWM closed above Monthly R2 (78.05). A close below 78.05 would have kept a short limit entry of 77.50 for today. Hence, trading and closing Friday below MR2 would be another positive signal from a risk-reward perspective for short setups. I already mentioned the other day that MR2 had a 66% probability of marking the high for January.



GDX had an amazing down move that almost hit our trailing stop (51.06). Only 5% of GDX trades are exited on stop hits so it came close to a worst-case scenario. But the worst may be over judging by the massive large players buy programs into the close. The GDX MF jumped from a low of 0% back up to 0.60% in the last 16 minutes of trading alone.



These MF zigs and zags leave us wondering if sellers or buyers have the strongest conviction? Or is this another opex pinning exercise? It feels like a bear trap to me. Anyway, the robot is holding its long position but avoids entering new positions for now.
Billy

[TraderD]

GDX had an amazing down move that almost hit our trailing stop (51.06). Only 5% of GDX trades are exited on stop hits so it came close to a worst-case scenario. But the worst may be over judging by the massive large players buy programs into the close. The GDX MF jumped from a low of 0% back up to 0.60% in the last 16 minutes of trading alone.
These MF zigs and zags leave us wondering if sellers or buyers have the strongest conviction? Or is this another opex pinning exercise? It feels like a bear trap to me. Anyway, the robot is holding its long position but avoids entering new positions for now.
Billy

The bottom of the IWM robot page states that exiting on targets seems to be better suited as the position gets "old" (albeit no specific setting has been proven to better exiting on stops). The GDX position opened on 12/31/2011 is likely "old" by now. It "feels" as if profit taking should have commenced some time ago when GDX stats stopped providing an edge, as the market really doesn't "care" when, why and at what price we entered the position. Has that been tested by any chance?

Trader D

[nickola.pazderic]

All the people I read regularly have and are taking positions for a pullback. In including this one and this one.

I have the same thoughts as Trader D about profit taking before our holdings become old and tired.

In the future, when anyone starts thinking about taking profits, I suggest/urge that they start a profits thread in Billy's forum. At least we could air out or ideas between ourselves. On a separate thread, Billy or Pascal could chime in should they wish to-- not in answer to particular questions.

[Billy]

Trader D,
The current GDX robot version is programmed to take profits into strength. The current trade simply never met the requirements for doing so.
Please review Pascal’s document :
http://www.effectivevolume.eu/conten...ember_2011.pdf

Billy

[TraderD]

Trader D,
The current GDX robot version is programmed to take profits into strength. The current trade simply never met the requirements for doing so.
Please review Pascal’s document :
http://www.effectivevolume.eu/conten...ember_2011.pdf

Billy

Indeed, it's the conditions of "selling into strength" that I'm questioning with respect to the anecdotal evidence presented by the current GDX trade. I am not sure what may constitute a better exit condition, merely speculating that somehow factoring the-then prevailing forward-LT/ST stats may prove useful in testing.

As a side note, Figure 3 in the GDX doc shows the vast portion of return (GDX equity curve on a log-Y scale) to be produced between Aug 2008 and April 2009, a rather narrow and unique period of time, which may make judgement of the rest of the ~4yr test period somewhat challenging.

[Billy]

Indeed, it's the conditions of "selling into strength" that I'm questioning with respect to the anecdotal evidence presented by the current GDX trade. I am not sure what may constitute a better exit condition, merely speculating that somehow factoring the-then prevailing forward-LT/ST stats may prove useful in testing.

As a side note, Figure 3 in the GDX doc shows the vast portion of return (GDX equity curve on a log-Y scale) to be produced between Aug 2008 and April 2009, a rather narrow and unique period of time, which may make judgement of the rest of the ~4yr test period somewhat challenging.

No system can give 100% satisfaction on 100% of the trades. Building a robust system through thick and thin with a minimal rate of failure is the best we can work for and I let you be judge if we are getting close or not. The current trade is neither a loser nor even exited yet, so any post-trade analysis is premature.
Billy

[TraderD]

No system can give 100% satisfaction on 100% of the trades. Building a robust system through thick and thin with a minimal rate of failure is the best we can work for and I let you be judge if we are getting close or not. The current trade is neither a loser nor even exited yet, so any post-trade analysis is premature.
Billy

I agree with you. Just to make sure I'm not misunderstood - it's fairly common to generate ideas for rigorous testing from anecdotal evidence (preferably, more than one or two examples). Ultimately, this is a marathon, not a sprint, granted, so I wouldn't be remotely tempted to render judgement on the system based on a single trade (especially if it's still in the green and not exited), alas you can always trust me to come up with more ideas for you to test :)

Trader D

[manucastle]

No system can give 100% satisfaction on 100% of the trades. Building a robust system through thick and thin with a minimal rate of failure is the best we can work for and I let you be judge if we are getting close or not. The current trade is neither a loser nor even exited yet, so any post-trade analysis is premature.
Billy

(The current trade is neither a loser nor even exited yet, so any post-trade analysis is premature.)

Not for those of us who acted, perhaps prematurely, on Pascals early comments on the MF yesterday and sold GDX, but I understand that this is work in progress.

Trev

[Billy]

(The current trade is neither a loser nor even exited yet, so any post-trade analysis is premature.)

Not for those of us who acted, perhaps prematurely, on Pascals early comments on the MF yesterday and sold GDX, but I understand that this is work in progress.

Trev

Trev, I feel really sorry, but you should have been able to exit with a small gain above 51.62 anyway. Under strong demand pressure, we made a mistake in trying to help members with the RT indicators before the end of the beta testing. We will refrain from doing so from now on.
Note that this incident doesn’t put the GDX robot official rules in question.
Billy

[manucastle]

Trev, I feel really sorry, but you should have been able to exit with a small gain above 51.62 anyway. Under strong demand pressure, we made a mistake in trying to help members with the RT indicators before the end of the beta testing. We will refrain from doing so from now on.
Note that this incident doesn’t put the GDX robot official rules in question.
Billy

Thanks Billy, keep up the good work :O)

Trev