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    6-15-2012 After the Close

    We had a follow-through day on the NASDAQ with the rally into the close. We finished up 1.3% on volume higher than the day before on day 10 of an advance. IBD should put the market in confirmed rally status. It happens fairly often that the market confirms a rally when the world situation seems the most terrible. The FTD is a B1 buy signal putting the exposure count at +1 (30% invested). The next likely signal if the market continues in a rally is the B3 (lows above the 21-day ema).

    Over the last 40 years the market has not begun a big rally in the month of June. 75% of the rallies begun in June have lost money. Here is a summary of every rally with a FTD in June since 1974. I used the market exposure model to compute the percent gain in the NASDAQ starting with the close of the FTD and ending when the market went back into correction. These percent gains or losses might approximate the opportunity if you had invested in the QQQ.

    6/17/76 -0.1%
    6/8/79 +3.2%
    6/11/81 -3.0%
    6/4/84 -0.9%
    6/23/98 +1.5%
    6/4/99 +4.4%
    6/28/01 -7.7%
    6/21/06 -4.1%
    6/13/07 -1.4%
    6/2/10 -4.8%
    6/15/10 -7.4%
    6/21/11 -0.7%
    6/15/12 ?

    June is just not one of the hot months in the stock market. Possibly a look further back in time would produce some stellar counter examples but 40 years is significant.

    Stocks doing well so far in the advance are NSM, PETM, DG, BGS, WWWW, CRUS, ROST, UA.
    GNC and LQDT (canslim leading issues) did not participate in the rally and might be breaking down at the 50-day.
    Mike Scott
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    Hi Mike,

    According to some studies you previously published, there are 3 criteria to validate the chance of success of a FTD.

    1) Coppock +/- 4 weeks of a FTD : we are actually in negative territory. Therefore, any upturn in the next 4 weeks will trigger a coppock signal

    2) %E needs to be between 7.4% and 16% : %E is actually at 17.78%. (70% failure when %E > 16%).

    3) Eureka +/- 10 days of a FTD : we had 2 eurekas since June 6.

    For those June failures you are referring to, do you know if they complied to those 3 criteria?

    Thanks in advance,

    Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnoel View Post
    Hi Mike,

    According to some studies you previously published, there are 3 criteria to validate the chance of success of a FTD.

    1) Coppock +/- 4 weeks of a FTD : we are actually in negative territory. Therefore, any upturn in the next 4 weeks will trigger a coppock signal

    2) %E needs to be between 7.4% and 16% : %E is actually at 17.78%. (70% failure when %E > 16%).

    3) Eureka +/- 10 days of a FTD : we had 2 eurekas since June 6.

    For those June failures you are referring to, do you know if they complied to those 3 criteria?

    Thanks in advance,

    Martin
    Martin,
    About your point 2 above, %E is actually 11.79% when excluding all stocks without a composite rating in Marketsmith. This excludes all ETFs on top of all stocks without an institutional profile (otherwise they would have a composite rating).
    Billy

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    I thought that Mike was using IBD figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnoel View Post
    Hi Mike,

    According to some studies you previously published, there are 3 criteria to validate the chance of success of a FTD.

    1) Coppock +/- 4 weeks of a FTD : we are actually in negative territory. Therefore, any upturn in the next 4 weeks will trigger a coppock signal

    2) %E needs to be between 7.4% and 16% : %E is actually at 17.78%. (70% failure when %E > 16%).

    3) Eureka +/- 10 days of a FTD : we had 2 eurekas since June 6.

    For those June failures you are referring to, do you know if they complied to those 3 criteria?

    Thanks in advance,

    Martin
    Martin, Your view of these three terms agree with my records. The poor June rallies I mentioned uses the Market School Exposure Model on the NASDAQ that extends to June 1974. The IBD6000 statistics goes back to late 1994 because that index was created on 11/21/1994. So I have partial data to report as follows:

    6/23/98 failed bear market rally: No Eureka, No Coppock buy signal, IBD6000 %E 8.7% (good)
    6/4/99 successful bull market rally: No Eureka, No Coppock buy signal, IBD6000 %E 5.2% (low)
    6/28/01 failed bear market rally: No Eureka, Coppock buy signal 24 days later (a bit late), IBD6000 %E 5.2% (low)
    6/29/06 failed bull market rally: Eureka 6 days prior, No Coppock buy signal (36 days later), IBD6000 %E 16.7% (Ok)
    6/2/10 failed bull market rally: Eureka on FTD, No Coppock buy signal (46 days later), IBD6000 %E 25.4% (too high)
    6/15/10 failed bull market rally: Eureka on FTD, No Coppock buy signal (37 days later), IBD6000 %E 21.4% (too high)
    6/15/12 TBD

    1999 was an unusual year with the market going into a feeeding frenzy on liquidity injections. 2012 could end up looking like 2010 examples.

    I also watch NASDAQ %ATR trend which is in a longer term uptrend but a possible shorter term down trend as ATR may have topped (changed direction). This is a mixed signal.

    We have seen many times in the past that we can get a fake-out rally that fails and the next rally sometime later succeeds. There is no way to know but I trust the Market School Model to navigate the treacherous waters and take us out if that is what is required.

    Leading stocks have been breaking out and working to a degree with only one failed (7% loss) breakout to my knowledge (TFM). Leading stocks failing will likely be the first sign of trouble if we are headed that way. GNC and LQDT may already be showing signs of a problem. QCOR and EQIX WFM, EQIX, JBHT, NSM, PETM, DG, BGS and WWWW are however doing well.
    Mike Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Martin,
    About your point 2 above, %E is actually 11.79% when excluding all stocks without a composite rating in Marketsmith. This excludes all ETFs on top of all stocks without an institutional profile (otherwise they would have a composite rating).
    Billy
    Billy you bring up an interesting point. The composition of the IBD 6000 has changed over the period of my analysis. The addition of ETFs has been prolific. My testing has relied on printed IBD6000 data. I can't backtest a different historical subselection of index data as the older data isn't available to me so need to watch this in the future. The thresholds for IBD6000 %E would probably change if different data were used. I don't know if 11.79% would be high or low...
    Mike Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by mscott View Post
    Billy you bring up an interesting point. The composition of the IBD 6000 has changed over the period of my analysis. The addition of ETFs has been prolific. My testing has relied on printed IBD6000 data. I can't backtest a different historical subselection of index data as the older data isn't available to me so need to watch this in the future. The thresholds for IBD6000 %E would probably change if different data were used. I don't know if 11.79% would be high or low...
    If it can help you, I keep track of the ratings only for stocks with composite ratings since 2/7/2011. See attached file which you can easily update going forward. These are also the numbers I am using for my correlation research for IWM.

    Billy
    IBDAccDistCompRatings Only.xlsx

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    Thank you Mike. Trading in the market direction with stops is the best we can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    If it can help you, I keep track of the ratings only for stocks with composite ratings since 2/7/2011. See attached file which you can easily update going forward. These are also the numbers I am using for my correlation research for IWM.

    Billy
    Attachment 14721
    Thanks Billy!

    Is it possible to get this data with the IBD subscription or only with MarketSmith?

    Thanks in advance,

    Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by mnoel View Post
    Thanks Billy!

    Is it possible to get this data with the IBD subscription or only with MarketSmith?

    Thanks in advance,

    Martin
    Marketsmith is necessary. It allows you to download daily data with all your criteria filters, but unfortunately not past data and ratings.
    Billy

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