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    Billy,

    It will be very interesting to see how the latest IWM robot short develops, given this price and money flow divergence. I was looking at the ratio of TNA divided by TZA, over the last three years, shown in this chart.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=TNA...d=p73802389236

    At the high point of fear, March 2009 the ratio was TNA/TZA = 0.00523

    Today TNA/TZA = 41.74/29.29 = 1.43.

    Let us suppose we return to the March 2009 fear level, with a ratio of 0.00523

    Solving for TZA
    TNA/TZA =0.00523
    TZA = 41.74/ 0.00523
    TZA = $7973!

    I don't believe reset fees have anything to do with the ratio. It gives me the impression, at least for the next few months, there is less risk shorting the bounces, as opposed to buying the dips. The danger might be in taking profits too early from a successful IWM short. Any thoughts on this chart?

    Dave

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidallison@shaw.ca View Post
    Billy,

    It will be very interesting to see how the latest IWM robot short develops, given this price and money flow divergence. I was looking at the ratio of TNA divided by TZA, over the last three years, shown in this chart.

    http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=TNA...d=p73802389236

    At the high point of fear, March 2009 the ratio was TNA/TZA = 0.00523

    Today TNA/TZA = 41.74/29.29 = 1.43.

    Let us suppose we return to the March 2009 fear level, with a ratio of 0.00523

    Solving for TZA
    TNA/TZA =0.00523
    TZA = 41.74/ 0.00523
    TZA = $7973!

    I don't believe reset fees have anything to do with the ratio. It gives me the impression, at least for the next few months, there is less risk shorting the bounces, as opposed to buying the dips. The danger might be in taking profits too early from a successful IWM short. Any thoughts on this chart?

    Dave
    Dave
    I have no other thoughts that the chart is much distorted by the compounding decay factors on both TNA and TZA. We don’t need to project targets and certainly even less with 3-years triple leverage ratios for a move that could last only a few weeks.
    IBD RS rating is 15 for TNA and 13 for TZA. Both were at 14 on Thursday, meaning that 86% of individual stocks do better relatively than both TZA and TNA! IWM RS rating is 57 or doing better than 57% of all stocks and much better than the triple leverage ETFs. This is the end-result of choppiness decaying effect. Only a sustained trend can change that, up or down doesn’t matter. We just need to be in the correct triple leverage instrument at the start of the next big move and don’t need to target anything. The 20DMF is a much more reliable guide.
    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Dave
    I have no other thoughts that the chart is much distorted by the compounding decay factors on both TNA and TZA. We don’t need to project targets and certainly even less with 3-years triple leverage ratios for a move that could last only a few weeks.
    IBD RS rating is 15 for TNA and 13 for TZA. Both were at 14 on Thursday, meaning that 86% of individual stocks do better relatively than both TZA and TNA! IWM RS rating is 57 or doing better than 57% of all stocks and much better than the triple leverage ETFs. This is the end-result of choppiness decaying effect. Only a sustained trend can change that, up or down doesn’t matter. We just need to be in the correct triple leverage instrument at the start of the next big move and don’t need to target anything. The 20DMF is a much more reliable guide.
    Billy
    Thanks Billy, I really didn't know what to make of the chart. With two snap shots in time I wasn't sure about the decay effect. Just a thought process really. Wondering in the event of a black swan event and the DOW running down to the March 2009 lows, what would the value of TZA look like.
    Dave

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