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  1. #11
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    question

    Billy--

    Do you (or anyone, thanks!) know why IWM rose into the close after the sell off today? Is such a move significant?

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    Many thanks,

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    Pascal/Billy or anyone,

    I'm having a hard time understanding why the triple returns of TNA/TZA differ so much from IWM returns. It certainly varies for the time period selected. For the last 12 months IWM was basicaly flat with TNA down 20% and TZA down 40%.

    One year return
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    TNA
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    From July 1st to close on Friday
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    TNA
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    TZA
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    From Jan 1st to close July 1st
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    TNA
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    [QUOTE=davidallison@shaw.ca;17116]Pascal/Billy or anyone,

    I'm having a hard time understanding why the triple returns of TNA/TZA differ so much from IWM returns. It certainly varies for the time period selected. For the last 12 months IWM was basicaly flat with TNA down 20% and TZA down 40%. ]

    David, this is due to the well documented leverage decay effect. See for example:
    http://www.etfbase.com/leveraged-etf-decay/ or google for oher articles on leverage decay.
    The smart way to play decay to your advantage is to short TNA instead of buying TZA or to short TZA instead of buying TNA.
    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by nickola.pazderic View Post
    Billy--

    Do you (or anyone, thanks!) know why IWM rose into the close after the sell off today? Is such a move significant?

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    Many thanks,
    No, the robot doesn't care about post and pre-market activity.
    Billy

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