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    Auto-Pilot Disengaged – August 8, 2011

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    The IWM Robot is now totally out of any reasonable and reliable historical statistics samples available. There is no way we can allow to put our capital at risk based on blind following of the contradictory ST/LT signals, especially in presence of a dangerous exponentially expanding volatility.

    Consequently, Pascal and I jointly decided to switch-off the auto-pilot and to leave the robot in cash until further notice. Starting on Monday, statistics will be published as usual on the robot page, but the signal will be to stay in cash whatever the apparent edges. Dark clouds and storms abound ahead of the market and the traffic controllers are blocking all passengers on the tarmac for survival and safety reasons.

    Not only is the robot out of statistical bounds, but more ominously, the 20 DMF itself is now in unknown territory. Pascal will comment on how one can try to pilot “manually” a plane under such conditions with the various tools from the EV website.

    My own view is that it is crazy and pure gambling to even try boarding any plane now. Do you remember the old discussion we had about the “Holy Grail of Trading” actually being patient and taking only the highest probability setups? Now is the time to relax in cash until reliable strong edges are back in play and everybody else end up ruined, depressed and exhausted.

    Below are the multi-pivots charts of IWM, SPY, QQQ and GDX for your review. They currently all require no other commentary than that Yearly Pivot (YPP) is the key support/resistance and equilibrium for all of them. With the exception of a neutral SPY, they are all under heavy floor selling pressure from the resistance clusters.
    Billy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
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    The IWM Robot is now totally out of any reasonable and reliable historical statistics samples available. There is no way we can allow to put our capital at risk based on blind following of the contradictory ST/LT signals, especially in presence of a dangerous exponentially expanding volatility.

    Consequently, Pascal and I jointly decided to switch-off the auto-pilot and to leave the robot in cash until further notice. Starting on Monday, statistics will be published as usual on the robot page, but the signal will be to stay in cash whatever the apparent edges. Dark clouds and storms abound ahead of the market and the traffic controllers are blocking all passengers on the tarmac for survival and safety reasons.

    Not only is the robot out of statistical bounds, but more ominously, the 20 DMF itself is now in unknown territory. Pascal will comment on how one can try to pilot “manually” a plane under such conditions with the various tools from the EV website.

    My own view is that it is crazy and pure gambling to even try boarding any plane now. Do you remember the old discussion we had about the “Holy Grail of Trading” actually being patient and taking only the highest probability setups? Now is the time to relax in cash until reliable strong edges are back in play and everybody else end up ruined, depressed and exhausted.

    Below are the multi-pivots charts of IWM, SPY, QQQ and GDX for your review. They currently all require no other commentary than that Yearly Pivot (YPP) is the key support/resistance and equilibrium for all of them. With the exception of a neutral SPY, they are all under heavy floor selling pressure from the resistance clusters.
    Billy

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    Billy and Pascal,

    May I be the first to say thank you for this black and white guidance. Worth every penny of my subscription costs. I am safely in cash and will remain so for however long. (Apart from a very small amount of cash for daytrading to keep me awake and alert) !

    Trev

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    Pascal and Billy,

    I would be VERY interested to understand how the trading patterns of 2011 differ statistically from those of 2008. Without any analysis to back this up, my gut feel says the markets were extremely chaotic back then just as they are now. How did the Robots react to price discovery back then and why?

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    Thanks Billy and Pascal

    For what it is worth -- I totally agree with you Billy. This is no robot time or even (swing)trading time. Wait on the sideline with a Margarita is the best we can do.
    My signal to re-enter is a hourly VIX in a down trend. You will see the vix starting to make lower hourly highs (over the coarse of several days!!!), that for me is the signal to seriously start looking for a long entry and for short vega trades.

    Anything till then is done in small size with the mindset of a day trader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam ali View Post
    Pascal and Billy,

    I would be VERY interested to understand how the trading patterns of 2011 differ statistically from those of 2008. Without any analysis to back this up, my gut feel says the markets were extremely chaotic back then just as they are now. How did the Robots react to price discovery back then and why?
    Adam,

    This is at the source of the statistical reliability problem. The 20 DMF was in confirmed shorting mode during all of September 2008 and had its first market direction signal change with a cover your short/buy signal on October 10, 2008. The robot did manage the trade well because it was looking for short positions durring all of that time Currently, the 20 DMF is already in unprecedented oversold territory and waiting for a long signal. Under such circumstances, the robot decides independently of the 20 DMF, and based on ST/LT statistics, whether to go long or short. But because the database only has a very few ST/LT combinations similar to today's, this is the exception to the rule that should be applied instead.
    We are also in a typical volatility expansion environment that can quickly lead to 5-6% daily intraday moves for IWM. Because the robot is an EOD system and the risk management is based on a rising but lagging ATR% of +/-3% daily volatility, any setup coul actually proved to be a winner EOD but would probably be stopped out many times during the day.
    Billy

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    billy

    could the Robot be adjusted further to include day trading setups, I mean, the wild swings in this market is a day trader dream (60+ points) ?, or is it just designed with EOD data only and is not capable of intra daily data ??.
    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmatar View Post
    billy

    could the Robot be adjusted further to include day trading setups, I mean, the wild swings in this market is a day trader dream (60+ points) ?, or is it just designed with EOD data only and is not capable of intra daily data ??.
    thank you
    Hmatar,
    Experienced discretionary day traders are the only ones who can expect to make a good performance and they are the only ones who should be hyperactive instead. I confess that I will try to be in that camp too.
    An intraday robot can only be developped with the availibilty of a real-time 20 DMF which is still under development. It is an extraordinary technical challenge to finalize due to the millions of data to process and repeat every minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy View Post
    Adam,

    This is at the source of the statistical reliability problem. The 20 DMF was in confirmed shorting mode during all of September 2008 and had its first market direction signal change with a cover your short/buy signal on October 10, 2008. The robot did manage the trade well because it was looking for short positions durring all of that time Currently, the 20 DMF is already in unprecedented oversold territory and waiting for a long signal. Under such circumstances, the robot decides independently of the 20 DMF, and based on ST/LT statistics, whether to go long or short. But because the database only has a very few ST/LT combinations similar to today's, this is the exception to the rule that should be applied instead.
    Billy
    Billy, I'm copying my recent comment to the analogy made by Ivan Hoff on another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by TraderD View Post
    I'm somewhat puzzled by the analogy. The robot reportedly cruised fine through the Fall of 2008 and didn't have to go to cash every night. Why is there a manual override now? Is this possibly a symptom of an over-optimized trading system (relative to available backtest/analysis historical data)?
    Trader D
    The rather simple-minded observation I have (admittedly, in complete hindsight) is that if the robot didn't include the ETF confirmation criterion (in its specific incarnation), we would be now in a rather impressive short swing trade and AFAICT a manual override into cash wouldn't happen, is that correct? If that is indeed the case, wouldn't you be inclined to think that the ETF confirmation is an over-optimized component of the robot? Would it make sense to go back and reduce the number of parameters tweaked in the robot setup to achieve greater consistency at the likely expense of lower overall return?

    Trader D

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraderD View Post
    Billy,
    The rather simple-minded observation I have (admittedly, in complete hindsight) is that if the robot didn't include the ETF confirmation criterion (in its specific incarnation), we would be now in a rather impressive short swing trade and AFAICT a manual override into cash wouldn't happen, is that correct? If that is indeed the case, wouldn't you be inclined to think that the ETF confirmation is an over-optimized component of the robot? Would it make sense to go back and reduce the number of parameters tweaked in the robot setup to achieve greater consistency at the likely expense of lower overall return?

    Trader D
    It is true that not including the confirmation would have made a killing in the recent series of trade, but would have significantly deteriorated the robot performance in previous series of trades. It is only in hindsight that Pascal could make the discovery that confirmation improved performance during POMO periods but hindered it out of POMO periods. This information is obviously now seriously considered for inclusion in the robot rules and very likely will be in the future.

    A manual override in cash would have happened anyway for new entries and the robot would already have covered its initial short position.

    Now, let me kindly notice that if we change the rules after each losing trade, the robot will lose its objectivity and utility. Pascal is running new mixes of rules in backtests 24/24 with the latest observations mixes since a few days now to make sure of optimal necessary rules adaptations.

    Billy

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